Marathon ends with winner mix-up
by Darrick Ignasiak
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NC Marathon winner Chuck Engle crosses the finish line. He was second over the line, but first registered marathon 
runner. PHOTO BY CAPSTONE PHOTOGRAPHY
NC Marathon winner Chuck Engle crosses the finish line. He was second over the line, but first registered marathon runner. PHOTO BY CAPSTONE PHOTOGRAPHY
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HIGH POINT – Ohio’s Chuck Engle said he had never won a marathon in the way he did Saturday in High Point.

Nearly two hours after Old Dominion University graduate Ryan Carroll was announced as the winner of the 2010 United Healthcare North Carolina Marathon, race officials disqualified the 27-year-old from Hampton Roads, Va.

Engle, who finished with a time of 2 hours, 46 minutes, 5 seconds, was named the eventual winner of the marathon, which benefited Foster Friends of North Carolina and took place in High Point for the second consecutive year.

Melissa Fourrier, Foster Friends of North Carolina executive director and race director, said Carroll was disqualified because he had registered for the half marathon and not the marathon. She said race officials followed USA Track & Field competition rules in making the decision

“He came here to run the half marathon,” Fourrier said. “Minutes after realizing he was on the marathon course, he was given the option of turning around. He chose to continue on the marathon course. He really disqualified himself there. ... We made the best decision to maintain the integrity of the event.”

Carroll, who has never won a marathon, was competing in his seventh marathon. He said the decision to disqualify him was “unfortunate.”

Carroll’s misfortune allowed Engle to capture his 88th marathon title in 204 attempts. Engle, 39, said he stuck with David Duggan, a High Point University graduate who won the marathon last year, for much of the race. Duggan finished fourth behind Greensboro’s Samantha Kilsdonk, who had the fastest women’s time.

“I was fortunate to have (Duggan) run most of the race with me,” Engle said. “The fact that he finished (fourth) today ... allowed me to know the course.”

Winning the N.C. Marathon qualified Engle to enter the Boston Marathon, but he said he had already qualified for that race and plans to compete in it for the fifth time.

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Scott5K
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March 28, 2010
Yes, the race director made the right decision according to the rules and yes, any serious runner should know and understand that, even more so than a casual runner like me. But the race director should acknowledge the mistakes that allowed this to happen and fix them for next year. I ran the 1/2 and when I approached the split, the volunteers were waving signs and shouting over each otherred straight and the marathon color, whatever that was, right. It was a confusing jumble of several people shouting over each other. There should have been prominently placed signs color coded and with 1/2 and full prominently displayed with arrows. That would reduce the human error factor. Everything else was very well done and it was a great race, but as a participant in the race, I can easily see how someone could have made the wrong turn at that spot. It was so confusing at that point that for the next mile, I kept checking all the runners around me to make sure everyone had red race bibs.
CarrollRyan
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March 25, 2010
Definately the right call, as is stated by USATF and understanding that yes, one often does race their competitor and not the clock...Chuck had no idea I would end up being led the wrong way and run the marathon...issue is not about being declared the winner...issue is, there may be something to look at as far as logistics go for course layout/course marshals/course signage/lead cars, etc...I think the whole situation is quite amusing at this point...again, I think this is a great race with a lot of potential to become a huge race!
Lou from Kalamazoo
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March 25, 2010
Look, the guy who was disqualified was really a bandit. The half marathon fee is a lot less than the marathon fee. He ran the marathon without paying the full fee and wasn't even qualified to be in it.

Right decision.
frayser
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March 24, 2010
you will never get that race director to fess up to anything...melissa, you need to check your own integrity, not the runners
Roland Cavanaugh
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March 24, 2010
I agree with the decision. The course was clearly marked. And besides, if a person knows that they have a legitimate shot at placing or winning, it seems that knowing the course is prudent. One poster mentioned the race only has a couple of hundred. Actually, the marathon alone had 302 finishers, the 1/2 3 times that many. I ran the marathon and know that the course was marked well with signs "You are now on the marathon course." Watching the larger group go left should have been a clue, but then again, these guys were up front, weren't they. Preparation involves being acquainted with the course. I for one would never enter a race of this distance without having some familiarity with the course. In this case, we all were told clearly at the marathon's website that the half marathoners and full marathoners would part ways at about 8 miles. To miss it seems to fall more on the runners who erred, and not the race volunteers. But, I could be wrong...
Bill Schwindermann
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March 24, 2010
Yes Mr. Carroll was rightly disqualified but the race director bears responsibility and has certainly flunked Public Relations 101, which is when you do something wrong fess up, apologize and vow to fix it. The course could not have been well marked as many people took wrong turns, and volunteers misdirected runners including Ryan Carroll. These are problems for which a race director is responsible.
Mario aka The Kenyan
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March 23, 2010
It's not the first time nor the last time this will happen a wrong turn happened in the ING Georgia Marathon, which resulted in the winner losing out on a lot of money, so him not knowing the course and following the lead vehicle which made a wrong turn cost him a lot of money and he is a professional, running and winning marathons is his only job and only source of income. While this is different than someone running the entire race but not registered for it. What if the one of the pacers for a race who is not an official entrant decides half way, run the whole race, should they get the prize money? Anyway, ultimately that is why there are race directors to make unpopular decisions. And everyone else is entitled to their opinions and can disagree. The solution is for you to become a race director to see how many of your decisions are vilified on the internet.

Every sport has rules and when someone makes an innocent mistake it is unfortunate that they are disqualified because of the rules, but that's life. I've ran races where I made wrong turns, I went back on course and knew that I lost "X" amount of time due to the error. Guess what I finished, never complained, and it didn't matter that I ran a few extra miles because I'm happy that I can run. I'll never win a race, even if I'm the only runner, cause I'll probably lose to my shadow. Everyone have a great day.

ING Georgia Marathon - Mar 21 - Atlanta, GA

Tesfaye Sendeku, 26 of Ethiopia, was the first to cross the finish line, but disqualified for going off course after following the lead motorcyle that went straight when it should have continued to the right, skipping an out and back loop. Sendeku was a 20 second leader when this occured near the 22nd mile mark. Jynocel Basweti, 23 of Sante Fe NM, who won the 2010 Snickers Energy Bar and Mississippi Marathons, was declared the winner with his time of 2:20:49
D-Runner
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March 23, 2010
Did any of you run the race? I ran the marathon.

First off.

Chuck is an amazing runner as I am sure Ryan is as well.

Second and most important - TWENTY YARDS after the half/full split off there was a sign that said "YOU ARE ON THE MARATHON COURSE" when Ryan saw this, he immediately should have known something was up.

Chuck has made wrong turns before and has lost marathons because of it. Sounds like Ryan is happy with his amazing marathon time.

This is a race with just a couple hundred people. You just have to know the course if you are a front runner. If you can't pay attention to the markings because, run a bigger race. Chuck is able to win 30 marathons a year and follow the markings.

This article needs some editing!
VBoyde
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March 23, 2010
both the runner and race director should be given 50 lashes with a wet noodle. The race director was cavalier in her comments. She should have apologized and quickly said there evidently was a problem with the turn-around and we'll make sure we have more and more attentive volunteers next year. But she did right in not giving him an official time. The runner should have known he as going to be DQ'd. Rules are rules, USATF states that you can only run the event in which you are registered. He's not a newby.
Va Beach
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March 23, 2010
Here is another take on what happened with more details:

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/03/wrong-path-sends-runner-marathon-twists-and-turns

Ryan is a pretty humble guy. When told he didn't really win the marathon, he probably said something like "Oh, that's cool. I just took it as a long training run once I realized I was off course". That is just the way he is.
final word
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March 23, 2010
come on:

if you are good enough to be in the lead then you should also understand why it would be totally unfair to the others runners to declare Ryan as the winner. that guy Engle happens to run many many marathons each year and has run several 2:30's. he was likely running for position that day.

yes it sounds like Ryan got sent off course by some inattentive race volunteer. This Ryan appears to be a qualified runners and I bet full well understands the rules the govern runners that go off course. Wont be the first or last time that happens.

appears this article is short on info and maybe not 100% an accurate account. usually when this happens the race director will compensate the runners sent off course in some way as a good will gesture. but never are the runners given an offical time or awarded an overall or age group placemntment or prize. it just wouldnt be fair to the others.
anonymous
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March 23, 2010
I think the race director should take a better look at the whole situation and not be so fast to place blame on anyone. She may also want to reconsider, “I’m not doing anything different next year,” when both Ryan and Chuck missed the turn. Right there goes to show there is a problem with the course and the markings on the course. I would suggest more volunteers at the turn around, different start times for the full and half as well as different lead vehicles/cycles for each event to prevent this from happening again.
VaBeach
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March 23, 2010
There are a few issues with this story versus what I have heard...

First off, Ryan realized after a few MILES he was off the half course, not "minutes" as the Race Director had said. This would mean that his chances of posting a decent half marathon time/winning it were well gone.

Second, Ryan was sent the wrong way by a race volunteer at a point where the half and marathon split. The lead pace car followed the route the way the volunteer sent them.

Third, unlike what the article said, winning a marathon doesn't qualify you for Boston. Your time qualifies you.

Lastly, the article states, "Carroll, who has never won a marathon, was competing in his seventh marathon"...Umm, he wasn't competing in the marathon. He was running the half and went off course and ran the full, hence why he was disqualified.
rightdecision
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March 22, 2010
Of course this was the right decision. Imagine you're running a marathon, and one of competitors shoots off into the distance at a fast speed. But wait -- he has a half-marathon bib, so you decide to let him go and focus on the people running the full distance. Then, later in the race, the half-marathon guy decides to switch races and cruises to an easy win. You simply can't allow people to choose which event they're competing in halfway through the race. Racing is a head-to-head battle with tactics, where you have to know who you're competing against. There's just no possible way they could have not DQ'd this guy without being completely unfair.
come on
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March 22, 2010
I don't think most people realize how difficult it is when you are leading. You don't have people to follow, and often times, the course direction isn't ready by the time the first runner(s) come by. If he had realized several minutes after making a wrong turn that he was on the wrong course, he had already lost a good deal of time, and most likely was no longer in contention to win the half. For him to go back on course, he would have wasted valuable training. He did the right thing by continuing, and a good race director would make a game-time decision, rather than letting the USATF guidelines do the talking. Besides, a 2:46 should not win a marathon.
rico swavey
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March 22, 2010
who the heck actually studies the course map? Besides, a course should be clearly marked. This is a major race not high school cross country. Race directors need to get their stuff together! If I am paying for a race I expect a certain amount of professionalism, and marking the course is part of that in my mind.

also it sounds to me like the race directors were jsut covering their own behinds and not owning up to their own mistake.
bumknee
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March 22, 2010
Yes, it was suggested last year to start the 1/2 marathoners at a different time as to avoid any hiccups on the course. Per usual, it fell upon deaf ears with the race director. There are ways to solve this...instead of laying blame with the runners.
Steve A.
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March 22, 2010
Hey folks. I was very concerned with markings and made sure at every major turn that I was still on the Marathon course and especially at

the split point. Obviously the race monitors picked up the different color bib. Good job!
RunnerFan
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March 21, 2010
Didn't Ryan study the course map prior to the race? He is not new to the sport. Surely when he ran by the turn-around point something should have clicked. Also the mile marker signs for each race were different colors. Even without studying the course map, he should have realized he was going the wrong way. He made the decision to run the full marathon on his own. He is not a novice to the sport and should have known better. The race officials did a great job in making sure that the proper rules were followed.
anonymous
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March 21, 2010
Great run Ryan, congratulations on a new course record. Melissa Fourrier should be ashamed of herself, absolving herself of all responsibility. When multiple runners and the lead car all make the wrong turn it is obvious the course is not well marked or manned. Maybe next year High Point racers should travel north and participate in the Shamrock?
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